Rouletti ID confirmation please...

[climbingrose]

http://www.peterbealesroses.com/forum/gallery.php?pid=1534
I was given this rose a while ago. Its on its own roots and never put out any bloom before. This is the first bloom at the moment and I have been surfing the net today and going through my rose books just to be real certain that this is Rouletti. The bush has gone up to about 60cm tall, small fine leaves and very nice fragrance. Anyone growing this rose? Does it look anything similar to yours?

Rae

[Ann in Tennessee]

I've grown a Rouletti for about ten years. Your leaves match but the petal color is deeper than mine. Your member page gives no clus as to where you garden, so all I can suggest is a review of if your photo comes after a period of clouds, that might let the color develop longer...
The one thing that separates my Rouletti from my other chinas is that they all are very twiggy to begin with. Lots of fine and healthy growth. With time, the other chinas open up more (and it's easier to get in and remove old and dead growth) but with Rouletti, although some canes thicken up, the bush remains twiggy and every spring getting inside the bush to clean out old abandoned canes is hard. With most chinas I sort of know which canes will be abandoned next; with Rouletti, I haven't a clue...just too much growth to choose from.

[climbingrose]

Thank you Ann, I think the description about your rouletti match mine. For the last few years all it does was putting out twiggy growth, got mown over twice and bounce back with more twiggy growth. The bloom colours on that picture posted is a bit vivid and saturated. I haven’t got the application to tweak colours on my photos yet but will try and take another picture and see if I can fiddle with my camera settings. Just gave it and other bushes a good dose spray of baking powder and milk for breakfast this morning as it is totally covered with talcum powder mildew. Hopefully it will not look all puffed up like some kind of dough in the picture. Will get online again shortly with a better picture.

Rae

[admin]

Without seeing the bloom, wood and foliage up front (which is what we need for a full ident) this does look a lot like Rouletti...

HTH

Pete
IT Manager

[climbingrose]

http://www.peterbealesroses.com/forum/gallery.php?pid=1554
This picture was taken the same day as the first photo I posted earlier. The leaves look clean and healthy then. Just a few days later, out of nowhere it is suddenly full with powdery mildew.

http://www.peterbealesroses.com/forum/gallery.php?pid=1555
I just sprayed this morning. Sorry that the picture now look more fuzzy then ever. Hopefully the shape of the bush and growth habit fit into rouletti criteria.
http://www.peterbealesroses.com/forum/gallery.php?pid=1556
A close up of the upper growth.

Can we confirm that this is definitely rouletti?

Thank you for taking the time to help me out.
Rae

[Ann in Tennessee]

I'll go out and count petals later today, but I do see something else in these photos that seems to be common on both my Rouletti and on the Orleans Rose line of polyanthas: a tendency to put out very small leaves early in the season followed by larger leaves later. To the extent that it looks as if two different plants were involved.
This spring I've seen petal counts vary (long slow and cool spring has made for more petals.)
I'll also try to describe at what point the petals recurve backwards.

[climbingrose]

This spring I've seen petal counts vary (long slow and cool spring has made for more petals.)
Is that so?? I always thought long slow and cool spring result in low petal count. For example, my Stanwell Perpetual spring blooms are lesser in petal counts compared to summer or autumn blooms.

I will also go and count my so called rouletti petals tomorrow. Will let you know.
Rae

[admin]

Hi Rae,

Simon says most probably (or it could be Old Blush) but he won't commit unless he can actually see the rose. (Sorry - I tried to get him to commit!)

Perhaps you could send some blooms, foliage and green and brown wood into us in well soaked tissue paper wrapped in tin foil? Then we can do a 100% ident.

I am really sorry we can't do it from the photos, but we would rather be 100% sure than 95% sure (and then get it wrong)


Pete
IT Manager

[climbingrose]

Simon says most probably (or it could be Old Blush) but he won't commit unless he can actually see the rose. (Sorry - I tried to get him to commit!)
Hi Pete,
Thank you for your feed back. I can fully understand Simon’s reaction. He’s being professional ( as in a doctor can’t diagnose without really seeing the patient up close)

Its amazing how some roses look so similar.

Being a financial controller :lol: (I do this professionally but do get carried away in my private life too :D) I calculated the postage handling cost and find that it works about the same amount to buying a new bare root Rouletti (a plus that I get a rose that’s definitive) So I’m going to get one for comparison. When all else doesn’t work, I’ll pack up bits and pieces of that maybe rouletti or old blush and send it your way for Simon’s well trained eyes. Is that OK?

(always finding reasons to buy more roses) might as well get the old blush too :D
Rae

[admin]

Hi Rae,

Great ;) :) more roses = good. Keep us updated with how you get on!


Pete

[taddy]

Hi Rae

I understand your problem! Picking roses from other people's gardens I have many that I do not know who they are. Many are quite similar but .... I do not feel so sure!
I have 4-5 bushes of roses that might be Old blush but also Rouletti. I noticed some differences and decided that two are Old blush whereas the others are Rouletti (shape of the bush, dimension and shape of the flower, period of blooming ...).
This morning, while I was doing one of the many cleaning (weeding under/near the roses) I happened to work around a "possibly" Rouletti and I was controlling her characteristics and I was thinking "Yes, she looks like Rae's: twiggy, smal bloom ..." and suddently I found in my hands THE LABEL (bured there for 15 years!!!)

Guess!!! it clearly said: OLD BLUSH

I am without words!!!!

[climbingrose]

Hi Taddy,
That’s really good news knowing that I am not the only one who’s always wondering and asking. Am glad you found your label for your Old Blush. Good feeling to know who is who isn’t it?

I think the best for me to do now is to get both rouletti and old blush with labels from the nursery and plant it side by side with the rose I’ve now dubbed “question mark rose” for a satisfying comparison.

This “question mark rose” came into my garden the same way as the other one which I have posted before (the so called Paul Himalayan from Holland – still clueless) I would like to ask the old lady who gave me this question mark rose exactly where she got the cuttings from…but ....(there’s always a butt)
I dislike the idea of going into even the smallest tiniest friendliest banter with an elderly. Totally dislike the idea that she might think I’m doubting her (memory especially) …seniors like my mother are very sensitive and easily get offended over simple question like “are you sure?”

Frankly, I’m not very much into propagating cuttings as I really don’t have much time to do that at the moment, but did receive lots of cutting from thoughtful people. It’s nice that they think of me whenever they see an interesting plant. The same old lady went to Peru recently visiting her brother, came back with a brown twig and one stick of lemon grass for me to root. I have no idea who that brown twig is. I also got from her 3 pits of black peaches from NZ and after 2 years, I still haven’t seen peaches sprouting. I also receive a bare root which she dug out from her garden and claimed it as Chapeau de Napoleon. The chapeau looks very mossy alright but quite different from the one Napoleon use to wear :D

Ahhh well…looks like I do have a zoo of unidentified plants here and there in the garden
(that’s an appreciative rant :lol: )
Rae

[taddy]

.... but now that I know that my "possibly Rouletti" is Old Blush .... what are the "possibly Old Blush" roses????

[climbingrose]

Hi,
After posting the last post on this thread a while ago, I went and get myself a new rouletti.
I planted the new comer in the same area where the other rouletti bushes are and found that everything about them are alike except the older bushes are prone to PM and the new comer rouletti got all black spotty. They have been blooming at least twice ever since I last posted in this thread but unfortunately I was too busy and away too much that I was unable to take more pictures or update this thread.

Will add more pictures when they bloom again
cheers
rae


http://www.peterbealesroses.com/forum/gallery.php?pid=2268

[climbingrose]

When I bought the rouletti for comparison, I took advantage of the situation and bought me one Old blush. As the last bloom of rouletti fades off, the Old Blush start showing off her blooms. This is the first time I’m seeing the blooms of Old Blush
http://www.peterbealesroses.com/forum/gallery.php?pid=2363
…..and very amazed by the strikingly similarity to rouletti except for the size of blooms and leaves.

Rouletti’s is really miniature, blooms and foliage size are smaller and finer while the blooms and the leaves of Old Blush are bigger and rounder shapewise plus a hint of slight fragrance. My nose fail to detect any scent from rouletti. I'm really learning to appreciate tiny details of my roses :lol:

http://www.peterbealesroses.com/forum/gallery.php?pid=2364
The flower itself is at least 150% or double the size compared to rouletti.

I was cleaning the older rouletti bushes and try to figure out how come the older roulette bushes have got some small leaves and big leaves at the same time as highlighted by Ann in Tennessee (How many e and s are there in Tennessee??)
I followed the twiggy canes of the bigger leaves and found out that there are canes coming from the Viridiflora growing next to it. So, that kind of solve the mystery of big leaves seen in pictures I posted much earlier in the season.

I can conclude this far that the first picture I posted is indeed rouletti.

At this time of year, my rouletti bushes are shedding their summer leaves. That said, the same goes for Cecile Brunner shrubs, very few leaves left but they are still blooming. The climbing Cecile Brunner looks fine, reaching 2 meters and I did missed both times when they put out their blooms.
I really like these cute tiny roses.
The next bloom I’m hoping not to miss is Bloomfield Abundance. It’s making loads of buds at the moment.
Rae

PS: Ann, I have never prune or clean the rouletti bushes. There’s really nothing much to snip away other than dead head (whenever I happen to be in that corner of the garden :lol: )