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Hi all,
So far I've only rooted cuttings from roses in summer (around the end of June to the end of September). As I've had rather good results with the "sandwich bag method" I've been sticking to that, also don't use rooting hormones, willow water or anything else – just plain sand or a soil based compost/sand mixture.
The two pics above show my latest "baggies", semi-softwood cuttings from the last week of August. I've noticed that cuttings towards the end of summer take decidedly longer to root. This is due to the lower temperatures I'd guess.
Last year in late autumn I have tried to root hardwood cuttings from dormant roses indoors. No success, though. I had put the cuttings on a window sill and I think perhaps the light wasn't good enough. I know that people root cuttings in (late) autumn, even in winter, put hardwood cuttings in garden beds and these develop roots until spring.
So I'd really like to hear about your experiences with rooting cuttings in autumn in the garden or indoors. Any hints, tips etc. are very much appreciated!
greetings
Hannes
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Hello Hannes
although many italian "rose friends" root cuttings during autumn and winter .... I had no success at all! The best method they suggest is just to plant the cutting deep into the ground and .. forget about it! Last year I tried to do it, and tried also to dig the cutting in a large pot both inside and outside ... nothing!!
Certainly I did something wrong as they say that it is very easy and, most important, very succesful!
I will try again! I have already a large amount of summer rooted cuttings to plant and, remembering how much I had to work last year, I had decided not to try and root cuttings this autumn but the summer was terribly dry and I had a huge amount of dead roses so I need to replace them ...
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Hello Taddy,
I'm glad to see you on the forum again. 
Thank you for your comments, what your rose friends suggested "... just to plant the cutting deep into the ground and .. forget about it!" also is more or less what I've been reading. I'm just not sure about the time in autumn – if it's better to use cuttings from dormant roses later in autumn or take cuttings right now for example. Perhaps I should try both options to find out what works in my climatic conditions ...
Sorry to hear about the roses killed by your dry summer. Hopefully these haven't been very rare ones at least.
greetings
Hannes
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Hello Hannes
I went through the suggestions of my italian rose friends and, apparently, every month from october to january is ok. The best recipe comes from a book of Aicardi (italian rose breeder) who suggested to dig a furrow in well worked soil; to lean the 20-25 cm long cuttings against one side of the furrow; to cover them with soil leaving out a couple of buds; to press firmly the soil against the cuttings. The place must have light but not direct sun. The (hopefully) rooted plants will have to be left there up to next november.
The method should be good for most roses, not so good for galliche.
As for my lost roses .... I am afraid that most of the casualties were among the bare root roses that I bought last autumn: apparently during the winter/spring they did not manage to build a decent root system to face the drought. By contrast, most of the last summer rooted cuttings, planted last autumn managed to go through the summer safely (i.e. they survived although did not grow much!).
And now I do not know what to do!!! The summers are becoming more and more dry and it does not make sense to plant roses that will not survive ..... it is not fair both for them and for me, that I am very empathetic!!! I may just plant only the few that I will be able to water
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Dear Hannes,
Often being neither here nor there I was afraid of the softwood-cutting method until now. It looked rather complicated to me. Last year I started with (semi-) hardwood cuttings, particularly with roses I brought over to Germany and wanted to keep (home) at the same time. So I took cuttings from bare-root deliveries but also from roses which weren’t dormant yet, from about the middle of October. I put some in pots and some in prepared beds (with a layer of sand at the bottom), outside in shady areas. That time without hormone powder.
The success rate (ca 40%) was rather astonishing, plus it is always a pleasure when cuttings begin their own life. I am not sure whether the result is partly due to the mild English winter, but I might be able to tell you how it works in cold Germany next year, provided there is as harsh a winter as it was last year.
Best wishes,
Bernhard
PS. layering did work as well, although that is somewhat more work-intensive.
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Hello,everyone! I've never done any really serious attempt at rooting cuttings,though after reading this thread I may try it (not this year though; already have too many irons in the fire). But I do want to take this opportunity to express my sympathy for and solidarity with Taddy;how well I can relate to your saddness over the way the summers have become in our region (I live in the Val di Bisenzio,so we are geographically pretty close). So far, I have not lost any roses,though I have tried to throw water on the new implants and moves every once in a while (fundamentally my garden,which is off in the country, must rely on rain for it's irrigation). But this coming season,in order to progress my project in my pursuit of funding, I am planning on putting in forty new roses;there will also be about another twenty amongst moved ones and formerly potted plants, and I must admit I'm a bit scared...here the summer is definitely the most harsh and brutal of the four seasons! I don't know how many plants you had put in...it is true that one needs a not-insignificant dose of courage to be a gardener around here, I sometimes think! I wish you the best of luck in the future, and let us all hope that things will change for the better! Sincerely black bart
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Thank you for your comments, everybody.
@ Taddy: What you tell about the book of Aicardi sounds vaguely familiar. I think it is possible that you already had mentioned that on an other thread and I had forgotten about it. Anyway, I think I will try this method this year, sounds pretty much straightforward. BTW, how was your success with your summer cuttings this year?
@ Bernhard: I absolutely agree with you, it really is a pleasure when cuttings begin their own life. I'm often surprised how fast some cuttings develop roots, some show rootlets after only two weeks. As this has been working so well for me so far I'm definitely a fan of rooting cuttings in the summer (June-August).
greetings
Hannes
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Hello Hannes
this summer campaign was not as successful as the last year one! Certainly my fault as I was not at home most of the time, being following my sailing husband (all the roses of the world are not worth a marriage!!). In general the rooting rate was much lower (Gardenia was an exception, scoring 6 out of 6!) but I have at least one rooted cutting of most of the roses. I said "most" as of a few I got nothing at all, but I realized that I used cuttings that had hips already well developed and they may have had an unfavourable hormonal arrangement. As I said, I could not get them at the right moment .... Also the cuttings I got during my holidays did not root, a pity as they were really very interesting. In this case I am inclined to blame the quality of the soil I used (salted....?)
As for the autumn rooting method, you are right! I wrote something about it in some threads last year, showing also a pic of my furrow, probably also in Work in progress! I will try again, although I must look for another convenient place where to stick the cuttings as my uncle used my old one for a new strawberry field (during the last two years the old one resulted to be a cremator)
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Hi
I really sympathise with the problems from a dry summer. It has been the same here in South-East England. The West and North seem to have had more rain than they wanted this summer, while we have had hardly any.
My experience with cuttings has been the opposite to Hannes, as I have never tried softwood or semi-ripe cuttings, but only hardwood cuttings in Autumn. This was because the information I read at the time said it was easier! I usually take the cuttings in November when I am reducing the canes to avoid wind rock during winter. The advice was to choose canes the thickness of a pencil for cutting material. Some I put into the old compost of a couple of deep plastic containers which contained tender plants for summer and some I just push straight into any patch of soil with space. I understand that, if the type of soil is wet and heavy, it helps to put some sand at the bottom of the hole. The cuttings can be forgotten over winter and you can soon see in Spring where you have had success by the new leaves.
For me, the best to root by this method have been the Hybrid Musks – Buff Beauty, Felicia and Penelope - which had almost 100% success rate and it later proved a hard job to find enough friends and work colleagues to give the subsequent grown-on plants to. I also had very good success with Mutabilis, Souvenir du Dr Jamain and Baron Girod de L’Ain. Of course, I also had many failures. I don’t take many cuttings now as, if there is any space in my small garden, I like to try a new variety, but it is a very satisfying thing to do.
Pam
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@ Corina: I have used bags with sand and pots with soil/sand mixes just out of curiosity. Sometime I thought it might be interesting to see if/how an other medium than pure sand works and if there are differences. And as I had many old pots lying around I used them for the soil/sand mixes.
A few roses seem to develop roots faster and more stronger roots in soil/sand, others in pure sand. But so far I haven't been able to notice any relevant differences. Currently I have a number of cuttings from Sempervirens Hybrids in different mixes, perhaps they will give some clues. But this is by no means a serious experiment.
BTW, your cuttings of 'Foc de Tãbãra' and 'Saxengruss' rooted very well, thank you again! (The jury is still out on 'Salet', cuttings still in their bags). Moss roses seem to be harder to root but perhaps I'm lucky.
@ Taddy: Good to hear that you don't give up with cuttings despite your experiences this year. I can imagine how you felt when the cuttings you brought back from your travels died on you. I got a rose from Japan last November and the plant was one of the few that didn't survive the winter despite pampering. After some swearing I usually regard these things as "gardening lessons in humility" ...
@ Pam: Thank you for sharing your experiences with rooting roses in autumn. Reading all the posts in this thread gives me hope that it might work for me too. BTW, I've also had excellent results with semi-softwood cuttings from Hybrid Musks. Ditto with Bourbons, the one or other Alba hybrid and nearly any rambler. I've found Centifolias very hard to root and I haven't tried Gallicas yet.
We seem to have similar problems with garden space – not many good places for roses any more. So I too give away all the young roses I have propagated from my roses. When I was a kid we locally had a strong tradition of swapping plants people had propagated, cuttings, seeds ... That has pretty much vanished. But we have other means today, thankfully. Exchanging cuttings with dear rose friends met on an internet forum, for example.
greetings
Hannes
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I am glad to hear that those two are nice with roots.As for Salet, next year i will be able to cut more as the bush is stronger, and you will have to trick him into rooting.
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Bernhard, you mentioned layering in your P.S. A rose friend told me this worked for her, so I tried it on Mme. Hardy who was looking, shall we say, thoughtful, and also C.F. Meyer, among others and I was really impressed with the results. I pegged them all round. I didn't even cut into the branch - I just pegged it down, gave it some old manure and made sure there was moisture. Actually, not long after, it rained torrentially, which was a help. I'm not after making more plants, I just want well-filled bushes instead of spidery little orphans. I think for old roses it's the answer - they respond with an energy which is quite remarkable!
Regards, Ravenna.
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Hello Ravenna,
this is very interesting!! Also my Mme Hardy is "a little orphan" and I tried many times to root cuttings to fill it; but I never succeded .... Now I will try the pegging method.
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In reference to pegging, some of my hp's tip root from pegging. Those coming to mind are Baron Girod de L'Ain ( as mentioned in prior comment), Enfante de France, and La Reine. I do cuttings using the "baggie" method after first flush in spring only. I also only do cuttings on found roses or roses I consider on the 'endangered' list for my area.
Hannes, you mentioned centifolias....do you grow Anais Segales? Would love to see a bush photo and a close up.
Jacotte
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Hello Jacotte,
I'm sorry to disappoint you but 'Anaïs Segales' ('Anaïs Ségalas') hasn't found her way into my garden yet. A gorgeous rose, some class her as 'Centifolia', others as a 'Gallica'. The breeder also seems to be disputed, usually Jean-Pierre Vibert is listed but I also have read the rose might have been bred by the Belgian Parmentier and was introduced by Vibert.
I guess you have seen the photos on HMF, there also are some pics on Karin Schade's website (she's a German rosarian who grows lots of Old Garden roses): CLICK HERE.
greetings
Hannes
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Hello, everyone
I recently have been pointed to an interesting article about rooting hardwood cuttings by a dear rose friend and thought this might be of interest for some of you too.
The short article can be found on Paul Barden's blog: Hardwood cuttings of roses. This method has been new for me but I'll intend to give it a try.
greetings
Hannes
P.S.: My efforts with rooting dormant rose cuttings indoors have been unsuccessful so far. All of the cuttings got black and eventually died. Looks like the conditions I provided were not right. The few cuttings I stuck in beds in the garden in November look good though. Will be interesting to see if they'll develop roots.
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Thank you Hannes
it looks very intersting and, coming from Paul Barden's blog, it is certainly worth a try!! ... as soon as I can find my roses buried under one meter snow!
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taddy wrote:
... as soon as I can find my roses buried under one meter snow!
Sorry to hear that, Taddy. Who would have thought that spring in your area might come later than in my neck of the woods! We still have "fridge temperatures" and icy winds but the snow is gone snowdrops and crocuses are out.
I have been able to do some work in the garden today and actually have taken some hardwood cuttings to try this propagation method.
greetings
Hannes
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Is it too do this now? (in my area, we are still having cool days/chilly nights, but mixed with warm days and cool nights).
I am always sticking things in the ground to see if they will grow, including rose cuttings, but had never had any success ... until now! 
This year, when we took down our greenhouse, I discovered one of my "sticks in the mud" was leafing out and growing (and absolutely no thanks to me), but I have NO IDEA what it is. I thought it might be ZD, b/c I had to cut some unruly canes off of it late last summer, but its got too many thorns to be ZD; it's got to be one of the climbes b/c it's a long spindly cane ... but now it's a mystery, and I will have to wait at least a year to know, b/c I don't expect it will bloom anytime soon. Still, I wish I knew what I did with that one that made it work! I'm dying to try again.
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A big congrats on your cutting Nanine! How exciting!
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Hello all -
Can I revive this thread to find out whether Hanne's hardwood cuttings worked? I have also had quite good success with this method (well, about 50% I guess). I just stick them in the ground in autumn and forget them, but since I have heavy clay soil, I use a spare bit of veg bed that has had plenty of grit or crushed shell dug in. Now the question is - what can I do with four plants of Paul's Himalayan Musk?!? Lucky I have a large garden ... Although actually I wonder whether PHM (bought from a supplier) is usually grown on its own roots or grafted, and if the latter, will my cuttings be less vigorous?
xx
PS. this method also works well for blackcurrents and redcurrents
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Hello Jo,
Rooting hardwood rose cuttings outdoors/in garden beds in autumn apparently has been working very well for many people. My own – very limited efforts (5 or 6 cuttings last November) were not that successful so far, only one of the cuttings survived and has two leaves so I guess it also should have developed roots.
Perhaps I'll try it again this autumn. However, I'll stick to rooting semi-hardwood cuttings with the "sandwich bag method". This has proven excellent for me, success rate of about 90%. It only takes a few weeks for the roots to appear and you see when they appear, how they develop, ... so it's easy to know when the time is ideal to pot up your new rose.
I think the other method to root hardwood cuttings (from Pau Barden's blog, mentioned above in post #19, 2010-03-12) also is excellent. I only have tried it once (not successful, paper was too wet I guess) but I'll definitely try this again.
greetings
Hannes
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